3 men invade home, shoot man in the leg, in gun free Australia....

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    So again, please let us know which gun control law in Australia kept these men with the illegal gun from walking into a mall, a school, a church, a theater, a synagogue and shooting a bunch of people.......

    Man shot in violent 'targeted' home invasion
     
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    Did they buy their weapons through the NRA?
     
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    Do you understand that the NRA doesn't sell guns? Are you that clueless, or just stupid?
     
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    Stupid and indoctrinated are not the same thing.

    Though it does take an excess of the first to easily achieve the second.
     
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    So the answer is "Yes, but lets conceal it." Thanks.
     
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    This has all happened before and will all happen again.

    Australia vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

    Maybe these stats are wrong. They seem to say gun laws work in Australia. So as the Manchurian poster trying to ENCOURAGE tougher gun laws you go and start a discussion on a single event inviting others to post the stats?

    I OWN a gun. We have the 2nd amendment and all its commas so guns are going to stay legal unless the NRA screws up and forgets to show up in support of hispanic citizens or gay rights and gets themseves and us gun owners viewed as a bunch of archaic racists who are going to fight the 101st to keep kids out of school with our guns or something.
     
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    The US doesn't have a 2nd Amendment any more. The US used to have a 2nd Amendment 100 years ago, when you could walk into any store that the government walked in and buy anything that the government also bought. Now try to buy any fully automatic rifle without some DoD paper.
     
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    Gun crime is on the rise in Australia.....and their gun control laws have not stopped mass public shootings......there have been about a dozen public shootings since the ban and confiscation, the most recent last week.

    A closer look at the effects of their gun laws.....

    Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review

    University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”

    “Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”

    A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.

    The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”

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    2007 report..

    http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf

    Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
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    However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
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    2008 report...


    http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf

    In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
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    6. Conclusion

    This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.
     
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    So your answer is gun crime is lower in Australia? That's all I'm reading between your lines.

    Let's work on this. Post them links to gun crime rates in the Northern U.S. and lets compare that to Australia.
     
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    I just did.....actual research on the rates of gun crime showing that the gun control laws in Australia had nothing to do with their crime rates lowering.........

    And criminals have all the guns they want.....

    Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

    The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

    Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

    These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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    Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

    Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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    While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

    Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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    These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

    “They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

    “It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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    Gun crime soars
    In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

    The investigation has found:

    • There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
    • Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
    • The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
    • Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
    • Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts
    In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
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    The second part of the series....
    Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


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    'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

    Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

    The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


    And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.
     

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