Arctic Mimimum ?? If the cold continues.... Yes!

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    Which would be why the very clear date on it says 06 Sep 2019. If it was a July map, the strait would have still been blocked by ice. It takes until mid-August at least for the NW passage to open.

    So, again, the question: Are you lying, or are you being a moron?

    Oh, here's the latest ice map, for 14 Sep 2019. There's even less ice in the NW passage now.

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    Billy's post was followed by large extent drops on Sep 11, 12 and 13,

    That's the peril of forecasting day-by-day. You just can't. When near minimum, it's the winds that determine the final outcome, not the temperature. For a few days prior, winds were in a spreading pattern, which increased ice extent. Now winds are back to a compacting pattern.

    In any case, 2019 has gone below 2007 to hit the 3rd lowest extent on record, behind 2012 and 2016.
     
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    people have driven to the north pole on the ice
     
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    DMI has us on the increase.... So much for melting...
     
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    Not according to that graph, which is too garbled to see anything. According to both the JAXA and NSIDC numbers, there was another significant loss on Sep 14.

    That's quite possible, since the current date is right in the middle of the spread of dates where the Arctic sea ice extent turns around. It's quite possible that extent shows an increase for Sep 15/

    It's just dumb to keep calling every day as the minimum. There's no way to know what that date was until you see several days of healthy extent increase afterwards. And the date is meaningless anyways, because, again, we're right in the middle of the turnaround date range.
     
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    True dat. In 1968, the 4-man Plaisted Expedition reached the geographic north pole on snowmobiles, being resupplied with fuel by air drops. They may have been the first team to reach the north pole overland, as the claims of the Peary and Cook expeditions are questionable. Amundsen reached the north pole by airplane, while others reached it by icebreaker or submarine.

    Such an overland trek probably couldn't be done now by snowmobile. There are too many leads in the ice now, even in winter. Making it would require vehicles with some amphibious capability. The last completely overland trek to the north pole by anyone was in 2014.

    There was a 2007 TV special about driving to the magnetic north pole in a modified truck, which is a totally different thing, as the magnetic north pole is on or close to land.
     
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    An ever thickening blanket? Yeesh, could you be a bit more hyperbolic? Care to show us the science that backs up the thought that a 120 ppm increase in CO2 overrides natural variability? It would be very interesting since you and no one else can explain natural variability.

    Think about it. What caused the Little Ice Age? If you can't answer that you can't begin to tell me that 120 ppm of CO2 can overwhelm those causes. this isn't rocket science, it's basic logic. You have no idea of what caused changes in the past, and yet you know exactly what's causing current changes. Pure nonsense. if there is one thing that seperates skeptics from alarmists it's that the skeptics have the balls to admit they don't know things. The alarmists are absolutely sure of everything, even when any rational human being knows that they can't be certain.

    If you can't explain natural variability, you can't begin to explain current trends, you just can't. Welcome to science.
     
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