China to develop more aircraft carriers

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    Experts are estimating another 4 years before they develop an operational capacity. Depending on how demanding their standards are of course. However such a carrier will be of little use in their disputes with Japan or for Taiwan for example and is illustrative of more global ambitions for power projection.

    Carrier Program Shows China Is Looking Beyond Taiwan AWIN content from Aviation Week

    It is interesting they have made so much of their Carrier busting missile (CX-1) and yet think it worthwhile to develop a Carrier programme

     
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    Not sure you read #121 correctly or in context.

    To be very clear - Mao was a monster and communism is a lie and I am neither a Communist or a Democrat but I do not think people should blindly believe propaganda either.

    BUT:
    1) China is not ruled by a real Communist party today - whatever the rhetoric. Most of the top members of the Communist party are far richer than the American senate. It is a capitalist ruling elite with Chinese nationalistic sentiments.
    2) The destruction of the old China has contributed to Chinas modern prosperity and peace. China before Communisms victory was torn by rival warlords , the playground of imperial powers like Britain pushing Opium or the Japanese raping and killing women and children e.g. Nanking.
     
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    The emperor of Japan is considered to be the divine descendant of Amaterasu Ōmikami and the highest Shinto priest.

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    The emperor of Japan, even today, claims direct decent from the Shintō Sun Goddess Amaterasu.

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    Wow, your copy and paste skills are impressive. :rolleyes:

    No one but you has delved into such off-topic details, dopey. Maybe you don't understand what a straw man is.
     
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    Of course the U.S. would have backed China, rather than the Soviets, in the absence of their communist revolution, and they would been further along to begin with, as I said before, without having Mao destroy their productive capacity and killing so many people. This is the problem with alternative history speculations because we can't really know what might have happened. Anything could have happened. I'm merely pointing out that there's no logical reason to assume that having their economy essentially wiped out by communism was the only way forward to prosperity for China. One can certainly see many other avenues for China to still be where they are. As far as being a gangster state, we have plenty of those in the world with large economies so I don't see that as a valid criticism on this issue.
     
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    Well in my opinion this is the most dangerous conflict in the world at present. With the U.S. fully pledged to back Japan militarily this thing has all the necessary ingredients to spin out of control.
     
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    I do not think Democrat Party has such program. But China does have program which is called Patriotic Education Camp. People who are caught expressing thoughts that are not approved by China's communist party are sent to this camp. It is not just the Patriotic Education Camp which is designed to brainwash Chinese folks, their regular curriculum in the school is just as potent when it comes to brainwashing. I learned about this while talking to Chinese folks about topics like Tibet or Japan. On the issue of Tibet, they do not seem to be aware of all the killings done by Chinese but on the issue of Japan, they were more than aware of all the atrocities committed by Japanese; to a point where they were ready to take revenge. This stuck to me odd that such a large number of Chinese folks have been brainwashed into thinking that vengeance is OK.
     
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    This is one of the reasons the Japanese need to rearm....the Chinese have a long memory....
     
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    But America did not support Chiang Kai-Shek. The Soviets gave a whole load of captured Jap weaponry to the Chinese Communists. If America truly valued Chiang Kai Shek as an ally how come they did not support him until it was too late. The Korean war could have been avoided with a little foresight which was clearly lacking in an America anxious for peace after the war and slightly resentful at the money it was forking out for a ruined world. The plain fact is that America at the time did not trust Chiang Kai Shek and resented the fact that the money they did give seem to disappear to a corrupt swamp with out any accounting for what was done with it. He was a far from perfect ally!!!

    So It is no good claiming China would have worked out for the better without the Commies when lack of American help at the key moments contributed to the success of the Communists in China and then cost the lives of all the Americans that subsequently died in Korea. If Mao did not have the hearts of the Chinese people how did he win? The Nationalists had all the advantages at the beginning of the civil war but their corruption, incompetence and failures against the Japanese meant that the Chinese had no real heart for them. It was a peoples war against an entrenched Nationalist party and in such a populous country this peoples war cost the lives of millions. The Americans did not understand here as they would also fail to understand in Vietnam. these were people fighting for their own homes and futures and though it cost them everything they won through in the end. It was not about having a superior economic system. The Chinese have since readopted capitalism. It was about restoring local sovereignty and pride and the conditions in which it was possible to make success happen.
     
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    Jap is a racist word. It is designed to insult Japanese folks. Its usage by you tells me that you hate Japanese folks. You can pretend to be something else but eventually you will give your game away. You have already started the process.
     
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