"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." EO instead, then.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Fort Fun Indiana, Dec 11, 2019.

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Does this violate the Establishment Clause?

  1. Yes

  2. No

  3. No, and all government-recognized religious groups should be protected in the same way

  4. It may, but I would make an exception for the Jews, given the circumstances.

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  1. fncceo
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    From Webster's

    anti-Semitism
    noun
    an·ti-Sem·i·tism | \ ˌan-tē-ˈse-mə-ˌti-zəm, ˌan-ˌtī-

    variants: or less commonly antisemitism
    Definition of anti-Semitism
    : hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group
    First Known Use of anti-Semitism
    1851, in the meaning defined above
     
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    ah, dueling dictionaries then fnnceo?

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    Semite
    [ sem-ahyt or, esp. British, see-mahyt ]
    noun
    a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.
    a Jew.
    a member of any of the peoples descended from Shem, the eldest son of Noah.

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    Loaded words: Evolving interpretations of 'anti-semitic' and 'anti-semitism' in dictionary definitions and in public discourse - Willem Meijs and Susan Blackwell

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    Semite
    PEOPLE

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    See Article History
    Semite, member of a people speaking any of a group of related languages presumably derived from a common language, Semitic (see Semitic languages). The term came to include Arabs, Akkadians, Canaanites, Hebrews, some Ethiopians, and Aramaean tribes. Mesopotamia, the western coast of the Mediterranean, the Arabian Peninsula, and the Horn of Africa have all been proposed as possible sites for the prehistoric origins of Semitic-speaking peoples, but no location has been definitively established.


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    Here's where a knowledge of History allows one to detect an amusing irony that the less knowledgeable among us remain oblivious.

    In the 1850's, the practice in Europe (particularly Germany and France) of referring to Jews as 'Semites' was considered to be an insult.

    The implication being that , no matter how assimilated Jews became in Europe, they could never be properly European because their 'blood' was Semitic. They believed Jews should remain isolated from European society if not be removed from it entirely.

    Now, the same people who hate Jews claim that Jews can't belong to the historical land of Israel because they have become too European and not as Semitic as others who lay claim to the region. They believe Jews should be removed from the land of Israel for not being Semitic enough.
     
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    Then obviously, all climate changers who worship on the alter of MMGW are out of office! Geeze, that puts up 50 seats in the House. I like the way you think, even if it is bassackards-)
     
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    Sorry, dude. There have already been two topics merged about this: Trump Plays Identity Politics, Joins The Side of Multiculturalists In Culture War
     
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    Now it means criticism of Israel's policies and actions.
     
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    When i was a wee lad, i'd take the red ants from one ant hill, and place them in the black ant hill or visa versa fnnceo

    mayhem would ensue , despite them all same sized & colorblind

    point?

    even the forkin' insect world is prejudiced

    & human nature hails from nature

    One is better to acknowledge this, than legislate denial shields preventing such epiphanies

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    If criticism of Israel and its policies were consider anti-Semitism, then every Israeli citizen would be a rabid anti-Semite.

    Israeli politics is much more aggressive, divisive, and confrontational than American politics and every Israeli is an ardent critic of his government.

    That being said, singling out Israel for criticism while ignoring her neighbors or ascribing sinister motives to Israeli politics based on the ethnicity of the majority of its citizens, especially coming from people who have no connection with the region can very well come from an anti-Semitic place.

    It's not random that there are over 30 armed conflict happening around the world and the conflict between Israel and Palestine, despite being the lowest in intensity and casualties, generates ten times as much conversation as all the others combined.

    There is something about the conflict that draws in certain people who vociferously rage on about the actions of the Jewish State ... and I doubt it's the region's weather.
     
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    So, just to be clear ... anti-Semitism (as classically defined) is all right and proper because Jews are, after all things, different from the rest of the ants?

    Interesting admission on your part.
     
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    Painting you a metaphor admits nothing,especially if you don't 'get it' fnnceo

    But if you want it point blank, you may
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    I could give a rodents rear end about race & religion in a secular society

    those that make special rules because of their race or religion disrespect our constitution

    that includes Bush's faith based initiatives , Trumps anti-semite baloney, or any other public figure pandering to race or religion

    THAT i'm d*med prejudiced about

    because i'm an American FIRST, not last behind all these pathetic posers

    ~S~
     

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