Gun Violence, in gun controlled Canada, up 40%...but....gun control?

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    Normal people who own guns do not use those guns for crime.......the anti-gun extremists either don't understand this dynamic or they simply don't care because they just hate guns. Canada has always been on the border with the United States......they have, in the past had a low gun crime rate. Now, they have experienced a 40% increase in gun crime, focused mainly in Toronto.

    So...access to guns isn't the issue.....gun control isn't stopping the increase. Criminals need guns to enforce the drug territories they control, and the Mexican cartels and other 3rd world crime gangs aren't hesitating to use guns to murder each other.......

    But....anti-gun extremists are going to focus on the wrong issue....normal people who own guns......thinking that that is the way to reduce gun crime....

    It's not.....but they hate guns, so instead of dealing with drug gangs, they will focus on Jean and Chloe Citizen....normal Canadians who own guns for hunting and self defense......while the drug gangs use guns to commit murder.....

    Why Gun Violence Is Surging In Toronto

    According to Canada's government statistics agency, gun violence overall rose by more than 40% in Canada between 2013 and 2017, with much of that increase driven by incidents in Toronto.

    Toronto Police Chief Mark Saunders says that the city's recent gun violence has been connected to gang activity.

    In a press conference in August, he said the Raptors incident and the August shootings "by and large have street gang connotations to them," pointing to the gang membership of the victims and those arrested. There is a thriving gang culture in Toronto centered on the illegal drug trade, largely in the city's poorer outer suburbs.

    Soooooo....drug gangs who don't obey gun laws are driving the gun murder rate......

    I know...let's take guns away from people who don't use them for crime...that's the ticket...
     
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    80% of the guns used in shootings in Toronto come from the US.
     
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    I think we know WHO is responsible for this rise in gun violence in Canada. And it's NOT native Canadians............
     
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    Actually it IS the native Canadians who are responsible for a large percentage of illegal guns in Canada. They use their easy border crossings to smuggle guns across the border from the USA.

    The drug gangs are mostly imported from the USA - the Crips and Bloods have a large presence, as do biker gangs like the Hell’s Angels. The Russian gangs have also been a problem.

    Every few years, when gun violence gets out of hand, the police have a gang crack down. They get a bunch of search warrants, and probable cause warrants and use them to pull off a hundred or more pre-dawn raids across the GTA.

    Possession of an illegal gun gets you 2 years in jail. You get the guns off the street. You get the gang bangers off the street, and the gun violence is cut in half.
     
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    How often do we hear of a shooting in a Democrat / Progressive stronghold? (Daily? Hourly?)

    Compare that to how rare it is to hear about shootings in Republican strongholds.

    What does that tell us?
     
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    And 99.99% of the shootings are committed by a leftist / prog / socialist snowflake maniac.

    I would be ok with making it illegal for anyone of leftist persuasion to be within 100ft of a gun.
    (They're not Americans anyway)
    Problem is, none of them would obey the law, no matter how many new gun laws they scream for.
     
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    And in two years they are back on the street to repeat the cycle and recruit new criminals...

    Notices you mentioned every few years and the length of the prison sentence tell me why it is every few years...
     
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    The native Canadians are, for the most part, NOT doing the shootings, you senile old hag. It's the imported animals that are responsible for the dramatic rise.
     
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    So....you have just admitted that everything you believe about guns is untrue....not fact based, and not based in reality.......

    We have told you the cause of gun crime over and over again, and it has nothing to do with normal people who own and carry guns for self defense, sport and hunting.....

    2 years is too short and the Canadians are going to experience more gun crime because of such short prison sentences.......they need to increase the sentence for an illegal gun to 30 years....then they will cut down on gun violence.

    In the U.S. as more Americans not only own guns, but now carry them for self defense, our gun murder rate went down 49%...

    With what you believe....how do you explain that?

    In the U.S. as more Americans not only own but now carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%....

    With what you believe,.....how do you explain that?

    In the U.S. as more Americans not only own guns but carry them for self defense, our violent crime rate went down 72%.....

    With what you believe, how do you explain that?

    Nothing you believe about guns is supported by actual facts, the truth, or reality on the ground......how do you justify your believes beyond simply not liking guns?

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    Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


    -- gun murder down 49%

    --gun crime down 75%

    --violent crime down 72%

    Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

    Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
    The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

    More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

    Actual Result:

    In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

    The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....


    In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



    Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



    Britain...
    More Guns = More Gun Crime
    Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
    They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
    Your Theory again....
    More guns = More Gun Crime
    Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
    When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
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    Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

    When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



    One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

    Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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    Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



    Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

    In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

    In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

    The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

    Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.
     
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    Don't forget the Mexican drug cartels......
     

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