How Stalin Fooled the World and Why It Matters Today

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    How Stalin Fooled the World and Why It Matters Today

    March 20, 2013
    By Daniel Greenfield

    There are two ways that liberal historians usually look at Stalin. The most leftward of these is to see Stalin as a victim of German and American imperialism who struggled to maintain the peace in the face of aggressive expansionistic efforts by Nazi Germany and the United States.

    Such a revisionist history would seem to have been thoroughly discredited in this day and age, despite its persistence in the early days of the Cold War, but it continues resurfacing, most recently in an Oliver Stone documentary series.

    But for the most part, Khrushchev’s disavowal of Stalin completed a process that began once the Soviet dictator cut a deal with Hitler, triggering a growing Destalinization cascade on the left. Stalinists still persisted in the West, but their influence on the authoring of history steadily diminished. Instead they embraced a different version of history that would salvage the ideological integrity of the left.

    In this more conventional version of history, Stalin was not truly a Communist, but a non-ideological dictator who had seized control of the Soviet ship of state and transformed a promisingly progressive revolution into a backward feudal tyranny.

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    This question, like so many of the others in Stalin’s Curse, remains applicable today. While Stalin is dead, there are many lesser Stalins like Morsi, small vicious men with an unlimited capacity for bloodshed and an even more unlimited ability to fool Western leaders into believing in their sincerity and goodness.

    The negotiations that allowed Stalin to gobble up so many countries have been repeated again and again. And every time that diplomats call for a diplomatic solution in North Korea and Iran, we find ourselves back sitting across the table from Uncle Joe.

    And that may be Stalin’s true curse.

    How Stalin Fooled the World and Why It Matters Today
     
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    Nonsense.

    By all means back up this claim with some links or examples - but you won't find much.

    Stalin is almost universally regarded by left and right as a dictator, a tryant and a mad man. The fact that he worked with the Alies to defeat Hitler does not change that.
     
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    Stalin and all other authoritarians who want to make the state a quasi religion are enemies to the human spirit. Systems exist for people, not the other was around. This is how all such 'leaders' can be grouped together, no matter how different their political labels.

    There are, nonetheless, huge differences in approach to making life the best it can be for the most of humanity's members. We need adaptability, not inflexible ideology.
     
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    Bullshit.

    Site your sources of "liberal historians"

    I'm guessing you don't read much history.

    CLEARLY you don't understand what history really is.
     
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    Indeed. Socialists in the west have spent the past 90 years trying to explain that you can have socialism without Marxist-Leninism (and especially the horrors of Stalinism, though one might argue that Stalinism is the logical extension of Marxist-Leninism).
     
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    Bush fooled the world.
     
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    mememe likes to be dominated by a 'strong' figure. She gets all worked up at being forced to submit. She's got issues.
     
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    Then what was the Holodomor?

    Oh lord, you're a Trotskyist?

    Socialism is most certainly an ideology, or perhaps an umbrella term for a number of anti-capitalist ideologies. Unless you really think Marx and Proudhon envisioned the same economic system.
     
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    Stalin did not fool anybody. We probably could not have defeated Germany without him. We also knew that if we went to war with the Soviet union in 1945, we would not have won. Thier dead in WW2 was almost equal to 100% of our men in uniform. Containment was the best that we could hope to achieve.
     
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    Exactly.

    And Stalin likely could not have defended Moscow without American help. At the time the US began to supply trucks Stalin was on the point of being overthrown by his own people, and the Soviets were facing the potential loss of Moscow, Stalingrad and Leningrad. More importantly, they were facing the loss of Baku's oil fields, which were only saved as it was by a strategic error on Hitler's part.
     

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