Hunter Biden

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    Except that Barr has publically said that there is no DOJ investigation into Hunter or Joe Biden, so who's lying? Trump or Barr?

    The bald fact is that the charges against Bursima were filed BEFORE Hunter Biden was hired.Now it's possible that the President of Burisma hired Biden hoping that this would influence those prosecuting him to leave him alone, but that didn't happen. But the notion that Hunter Biden was under investigation when his father fired the prosecutor, IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE.

    Joe Biden was ORDERED TO FIRE THE PROSECUTOR BY THE IMF, NATO, THE EU, AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. This was the publically stated policy of the United States of America, it's international institutions and alliances, and those of our European allies. It was done in public, in the open, and Biden was quite rightfully proud of how effectively he did the job ASSIGNED TO HIM BY PRESIDENT OBAMA.

    What Trump babbles about in a telephone call is proof of nothing. Trump doesn't even have a passing acquaintance with the truth and nothing he says can be assumed to be true unless confirmed by sources outside of FOX News, and backed up with documentation that doesn't come from former soviet countries.
     
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    you keep switching words around to change the context of it,,,

    please dont waste anymore of my time,,,
     
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    It was a partial transcript.

    And I guess the full transcript was hidden away in a secure server.

    Sounds secretive.
     
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    sorry you werent looped in,,,
     
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    I'm not changing words. I'M POSTING THE FACTS WHICH DIRECTLY CONTRADICT YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

    You keep trying to re-write history to make Biden's firing of the prosecutor nefarious, using documents and stories posted by the people Joe Biden and the American foreign policies had fired for corruption. Biden did his job, in accordance with PUBLICALLY STATED FOREIGN POLICY.

    When you tell someone you want them to deal with corruption, you mean corruption NOW, not corruption committed years ago by people no longer in power.
     
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    Yes, Don Jr is aghast that Hunter would be such a lazy shyster riding through life on his daddy’s name.
     
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    you didnt post anything except your opinion,,,
     
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    We deeply appreciate your feckless alternative facts.
     
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    when they are government documents they are not feckless
     
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    This is what the transcript says

    Trump

    will say that we do ·a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot.of time.

    the United States has been very very
    good to Ukraine

    He is laying out what the US does for them and also casting doubt on the Europeans wanting to do things for Ukraine so who can you count on

    Macron even admits in the transcript that US is more of an important player than the EU

    given the fact that Ukraine is up against Russia which has way more resources

    The Ukrainian president even mentions the need for more Javelin missiles

    clearly this is laying out what Ukrainian needs

    Trump
    I would like you to do us a favor though
    because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a
    lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with
    this whole situation with Ukraine,

    Trump is asking for a favor after setting up the guy with how much they need the US

    The transcript clearly says that Trump want him to meet with Rudy G

    Rudy G is not a government official and is Trumps personal lawyer

    Trump then talks about Biden and Biden's son and how Biden supposedly stop an investigation in Ukraine

    This is what you can do for me

    Repubs want to hold out that they eventually got the money as no quid pro quo

    well part of the quid pro quo was them getting the money and assistance

    Time line

    this call was in July 25th

    July 3rd Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman becomes aware of the money being witheld

    July 10th

    the White House with Ukrainian officials is cut short when Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, says he has an agreement with the acting White House chief of staff that Ukraine’s president would get a meeting with Trump if Ukraine agreed to launch investigations.

    indicating that the Ukraine knew something was going on

    July 18th
    HOMB announces the freezing of Ukraine aid based on a presidential order

    July 25 the call

    So trump is telling this guy how much the US helps them but he has placed a freeze on this aid

    Sometime in Aug Ukraine officials are asking about the status of this aid

    By Aug Ukraine is well aware of the freeze

    After it is becoming public knowledge in Sept the freeze is lifted.

    So there was a freeze and just because they go their money was simply a case of shining a spotlight on corruption and then they had to release it to show no corruption

    The question is not if they got the money but why was there a delay and the phone call puts a brighter light on it

    Aug 11 freeze lifted

    Aug 13 the Ukraine president was going to make an announcement on their investigation but cancelled at the last monument

    Those are the facts

    So clearly what happen Trump and his crew knew what he was going to be said and to prevent a total disaster they released the money. The Ukraine was suppose to talk about the investigation.

    Well I suppose quid pro quo would be a better argument for repubs

    instead of the more serious issues of campaign finance law violations, bribery, extortion, and conspiracy

    Not to worry we will get to those later
     
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