Illegal Employer Problem

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    The fact is that we had an open border with Mexico for several centuries, and "illegal immigration" was never a serious problem. Before Reagan's presidency, an estimated million or so people a year came into the US from Mexico - and the same number, more or less, left the US for Mexico at the end of the agricultural harvest season. Very few stayed, because there weren't jobs for them.

    Non-citizens didn't have access to the non-agricultural US job market, in large part because of the power of US labor unions (before Reagan 25% of the workforce was unionized; today the private workforce is about 7% unionized), and because companies were unwilling to risk having non-tax-deductible labor expenses on their books by hiring undocumented workers without valid Social Security numbers.

    But Reagan put an end to that. His 1986 amnesty program, combined with his aggressive war on organized labor (begun in 1981), in effect told both employers and non-citizens that there would be few penalties and many rewards to increasing the US labor pool (and thus driving down wages) with undocumented immigrants. A million people a year continued to come across our southern border, but they stopped returning to Latin America every fall because instead of seasonal work they were able to find permanent jobs.

    The magnet drawing them? Illegal Employers.

    Yet in the American media, Illegal Employers are almost never mentioned.

    Lou Dobbs, the most visible media champion of this issue, always starts his discussion of the issue with a basic syllogism - 1. Our border is porous. 2. People are coming across our porous border and diluting our labor markets, driving down US wages. 3. Therefore we must make the border less porous.

    Lou's syllogism, however, ignores the real problem, the magnet drawing people to risk life and limb to illegally enter this country - Illegal Employers. Our borders have always been porous (and even with a "fence" will still allow through "tourists" by the millions), but we've never had a problem like this before.

    Yet fifty years ago we didn't have an "illegal immigration" problem, because back then we didn't have a conservative "Illegal Employer" problem.
     
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    Both parties are to blame and that’s why I voted for Trump.
     
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    That is to say, The Republican.
     
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    Trump is neither.
     
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    The fact is that the whole problem is cheap labor. Bush as well as Obama, Soros, Buffet all want cheap labor < They are the reasons this problem has not been put under control Many people from Mexico came across the border worked and returned home until things got hard at the border. Green card workers worked for min pay. We do need to change and get control at the boarder for time have changed. upload_2018-8-26_16-30-53.jpeg
     
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    It was a good post till you said illegal employers were never mentioned in the press, if they were not mentioned how do we know about it????
     
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    Interesting you pick that time frame and ignore the Mexican drug cartels and gangs. If employment was the only problem with illegals, you might have a case. As it is, fining illegal employers would help, but many are here in gangs and other illegal businesses, so it is not a cure all.
     
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    That was a 2006 op ed. Back when we were anti illegals but you Neocons were not. Half of you got it but the corporatist ran your party and they swore they were just doing jobs Americans wouldn’t do.

    Then came trump now the racist side of the Republican Party now runs the White House.

    Not the senate of house. They are still corporatist. So are democrats. This is one issue I side with trump and the racist republicans.

    I don’t care what color the immigrants are they are deluding our job market with low wage workers and that keeps wages down. Slow down immigration and fuck growth. Worry about middle class wages then growth next.
     
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    Neither is an expensive wall.

    I hope we move our military to the border. Do you know how many privates in the military are sitting around doing nothing?

    Where do we fight wars now? The hot Middle East? Seems like the border is the perfect place to train them. We make privates in boot camp hike long distances, right? Patrol the god damn border!
     
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    Maybe the National Guard, but I am against military operations within our borders. Illegal employers are basically the head of the snake. I have thought more aggressive fines and investigations would bear fruit.
     
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