Plowing not Drilling

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  1. midcan5
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    I surely realize that - this is a bit tongue in cheek - but that doesn't make it a bad idea. Thought exercises are sometimes helpful.
     
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    Keep popping those qualoods....makes reality tolerable for loons like you.
     
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    Not an answer. So I assume stupid!
     
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    Tearing up perfectly good houses would be a colossal waste. And how exactly do you get people to give up their houses?

    There are benefits to changing our development patterns, yes. But you don't need more government, you need less.

    * Local building codes will almost always have parking lot minimums. Thus we see so many parking lots that waste huge amounts of space and are rarely filled. Abolish these laws, and if a store doesn't have enough parking they will go bankrupt! As development grows outward, the older parking lots ought to be filling in with denser development (and in some cases you'll see this, but it's still limited)

    * Eliminate property taxes based on land value. If you're going to have property taxes, base them on square footage. That way, single-story development doesn't have a tax advantage. Builders can also build things that aren't so ugly--currently, if you build a nice dignified building it's worth more so it gets taxed more.

    * Auction off government roads. Interstates would be the easiest. Let market rates prevail, and traffic jams will disappear overnight. Different sections of roads will be priced higher or lower depending on demand and time of day.

    Now imagine what happens once people are faced with a toll as soon as they leave their subdivision. Suddenly, living in a community laid out the old fashioned way makes sense--you have shops and whatnot at the center, within walking distance for many people.

    Existing master planned communities can be rehabbed too, believe it or not. Many will have a community center, golf course, etc. nearby. Existing malls can be rehabbed, in fact there is an architectural firm I've seen somewhere on the web that specializes in that. They add apartments on top of the shops, then the parking lot can eventually fill in with houses. Parking garages can compensate for lost parking, although it's not always necessary, as you still have parallel parking, just like towns built before WWII.

    Once you give developers incentive to build up instead of out, then mass transit becomes more feasible. Private bus companies can pick people up at one town center and drop them off at another. Road companies can reserve lanes for busses, too. This is critical, because the main complaint of busses vs. trains is, you get stuck in traffic.
     
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    Silly boy.

    Taxing cigarettes is more about generating revenue for the States than anything else. Right now I pay about $3.00 taxes on a pack of butts.

    In fact, the state of Maine is concerned about the fact that tobacco revenues are dropping (see: Maine:Cigarette tax shortfall burning hole in budget)

    If every smoker in Maine stopped paying taxes on tobacco, the government would lose about $160 million dollars a YEAR.

    In a state with a total budget of about $6.3 billion, that's not an insignificant revenue source ...taxes on tobacco account for about about 2.5% of the state's total revenues.


    The prevailence of smoking had been declining for years before the taxing of smokes started to become so predatory.
     
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    The difference between cigarette taxes and dirty fuel taxes is the victim. The cigarette tax is designed to protect you from yourself. I do not think government should be in this business, and I oppose cigarette taxes. However, they do reduce smoking rates, as intended. The inverse correlation between cigarette taxes and smoking rates has been shown repeatedly both in the Untied States and in every other nation that has attempted such programs. You point out that many states continue to loose revenue from such taxes, even as the tax rates go up. Are you so blinded by your addiction that you can't work out what this means by yourself? Smoking rates are plummeting.

    I don't agree with the taxes. You are an adult, and if you want to kill yourself then I think that is your choice. Dirty fuel is completely different. If you drive a Hummer, everyone else gets to pay for your "choice". In that case, I think government should get involved.
     
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    When did you pay my gasoline bill for my Hummer? I seem to keep getting these huge credit card bills with gasoline station charges on them..... You want to pick up a few of those for me?
     
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    hahaha
     
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    As I drive around the Philly burbs, I see more Hillary signs on lawns than Trump signs but when I see a Trump sign I take note of the automobile. Guess what? They are almost always foreign. The have the pretentious Lexus or Audi, the less rich the Hyundai or Toyota. This makes me smile. The very people who want to make America great again support and advertise for foreign nations. Too funny. So today when I saw this article it reminded me of this piece I wrote when Sarah Palin was saying, drill baby drill. Interesting.

    Small factories. A few still exist around Philly and I sometimes see the workers leaving and think how long will it last?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/30/b...as-a-weapon-in-the-fight-against-poverty.html

    "There is no need to sally forth, for it remains true that those things which make us human are, curiously enough, always close at hand. Resolve, then, that on this very ground, with small flags waving and tiny blasts of tiny trumpets, we shall meet the enemy, and not only may he be ours, he may be us." Pogo
     
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    One of the oddest things on this board is the fact that almost all the 'Conservatives' here that support Trump, never miss an opportunity to diss the Tesla automobile. Yet, the Tesla is over 90% made in America, the highest rate of any automobile made. And it is a cutting edge vehicle, the fastest auto 0 to the legal limit of any mass produced vehicle in the world. Runs on electricity, which you can produce yourself, or take off the grid for pennies on the dollar compared the gasoline that would be necessary to propel a 3 ton luxury vehicle with and ICE. Yet they constantly talk about 'making America great again', but never miss an opportunity to denigrate the products that would do that. LOL
     

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