CDZ Real Questions for Trump Supporters

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    Let me say up front, these are honest questions. I'm not trying to troll either side of the political aisle. I see the MAGA hats on one side of the political aisle and I hear the Democrats asking questions that I'm going to repeat. I'm just after your real input.

    I hope that those who oppose Trump will allow this discussion with as little interruption as possible. Thank you in advance for well thought out responses.

    1) When do you think America became great?

    2) What made America great?

    3) When did America begin to lose its greatness?

    4) What are the reason (s) you think we are not a great nation today?

    5) How can we measure the idea of greatness?
     
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    (1) 1945
    (2) World leadership, militarily, industrially, psychologically. culturally
    (3) 1968
    (4) Leftism has destroyed the culture from within
    (5) Not measurable quantitatively.
     
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    Lets begin with American exceptionalism.

    That doesn't mean we are "better" than any other human on the planet...it means we are the exception to the rule.

    The rule, for thousands of years, has been a dictator or a monarchy...we devised an entirely new system. A system of self governance and self determination...where the people hold the power...and thru voting, the people select others who will represent them.

    The US constitution was the beginning of our greatness. That was the foundation for our building and ACCUMULATING wealth.

    It paved the way for the industrial revolution, ideas and patents...Lets take a look at the genius of patents.

    You have an idea, you can protect that idea by putting a patent on it. The patent gives you a number of years to make money from your idea, and then it expires and your idea becomes "public domain"...which means others can build it & the price drops due to competition...

    That's why miracle drugs like aspirin are cheaper than dirt today... Why smart phones are affordable and in a few years they will cost about $15. (continued)...
     
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    We started to lose our greatness when our "representatives" no longer represented us...they represented themselves & sold us out to enrich themselves.

    This has been going on for decades and it was coming to a head...we were just about to lose our country to globalism.

    Jobs leaving, illegals flooding in, no borders, media outright lying to us...we all knew the problem but didn't know how to solve it.

    And along comes Super Trump. He's a business man & he's been neck deep in the swamp his entire adult life...just on the other side of the swamp than the politicians are. He literally knows how to fix it & he's got the balls to do it...but even for him, it wont be easy.

    He knows the corrupt filth wont lose their power without a fight...but we are on the edge of losing our country...so he decides to try...

    And that's where we are today.

    How does this end? Turn the page & find out!
     
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    1) 1803-1867 Louisiana purchase and Alaska purchase
    2) Territorial acquisition without war
    3) 1950-1975 Korean War, Vietnam war, neither of which was won by the USA
    4) Lives of dead foreign civilians don't matter
    5) Social advancements such as The Great Society, social welfare, Obamacare, the advancement of the wellbeing and wealth of all citizens.
     
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    1) When do you think America became great?

    1776

    2) What made America great?

    God

    3) When did America begin to lose its greatness?

    In the early 60's when the stinking stench of Liberalism took root in America.

    4) What are the reason (s) you think we are not a great nation today?

    The country is infested with "the enemies within."

    5) How can we measure the idea of greatness?

    It is measured by the amount of compassionate Conservatism that exists in the country.
     
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    I want to thank all of you for that many replies that fast. I cannot reply to all of them, so I'll PM each of you so that you don't miss this post.

    I share in a lot of the concerns, but as we see with a half dozen replies, we have half a dozen different opinions as to how we view America. Let's look at some facts here:

    If you start with the Mayflower Compact and then the sermon delivered by John Winthrop entitled A Model of Christian Charity in 1630 (and cited by such leaders like JFK (Democrat) and Ronald Reagan (Republican) in their speeches, you begin to understand a nation destined for greatness. I suggest that people read Winthrop's sermon and think about how we became who we are:

    https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

    When you think about Benjamin Franklin's discovery of electricity, the Wright brothers making airplanes a viable mode of transportation, or William Shockley's invention of the transistor that ushered in the the computer age, you start to appreciate our contributions to science, transportation, medicine, the arts, and an unmatched history.

    People argue about how long the Roman Empire lasted... was it 1000 years or 2100 years?

    Did Rome and its Empire really last 2100 years? (Roman, Egypt, events) - History -U.S. and World, studying past, wars, presidents, language, economy - City-Data Forum

    I don't know, but I do know that the United States accomplished more in 200 years than the Roman Empire did in all its existence. We built bigger armies, bigger navies with ships that would dwarf anything the Romans ever had. We sent more missionaries out into the world than all other nations combined. We fought in wars for other countries, sacrificing more lives than we can count, never claiming an acre of land that we helped liberate in the name of Liberty.

    During our nation's history Communist Russia came and went; the French changed their government more than a dozen times and China, which has existed since biblical times, is just now surpassing as the world's superpower.

    I cannot put a date on when America became great, but we were a great nation. Maybe, underneath the quagmire of people wanting us to change our form of government into one of those kinds that has come and gone while our Constitution was in place lies that great nation our forefathers envisioned.

    Today I stand on the outside, looking in. I do not see the great leadership from either side of the political aisle. All we have are political propaganda prostitutes using us, playing us, and exploiting the divisiveness. Nobody, including Donald Trump, are who they claim they are. I'm not bashing Trump nor his supporters, just telling this like it is. Donald Trump is an anti-gun globalist who has been able to crow about getting the right to see things his way. We have. America is being pushed further and further left. Trump drains the swamp and we find he's surrounded by hucksters most of us wouldn't trust with a nickel. But, where do we go?

    The Democrats with Universal Healthcare, gun control, and a commitment to the destruction of America via multiculturalism isn't an option. Socialism was failing when America was thriving so it would appear to me that what we need to do is find out WHEN we think America reached its zenith and incrementally work our way back to that point. Again, thank all of you for your input. If anything, it showed me that we do not have a blueprint for making America great again. We aren't even agreed on when it was great to begin with.
     
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    IMHO it is cyclical.

    People have forgotten the basics (you need to have wealth in order to give to the poor...Drinking water is your biggest need...you can't write a federal law abolishing slavery until you have a federal gov't...rights & laws apply to everybody or they apply to nobody ...etc...etc).

    We are most likely going to need to lose those basics before we appreciate & understand them again...and then start to "incrementally work our way back to that point".
     
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    I couldn't disagree with that statement more...but I would defend, with my life, your right to say it!

    That's another "basic" we seem to have forgotten.
     
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    I would do the same for you. It's when we can put the facts on the table without attacking each other personally that we make progress in understanding each other. We won't always agree, but we will respect each other.
     
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