Reparations, the big freaken lie!

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    With all the talk about “fake news” these days, confirmation of fake news is easily found in hundreds of media outlets which continue to condemn the wrong actors for the existence of slavery in the United States. For example, Cory Booker, said “It is a cancer on the soul of our country.” While Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee alleged “The role of the federal government in supporting the institution of slavery . . . must be formally acknowledged and addressed.”


    But what these liars refuse to acknowledge is, slavery was first introduced on America soil in the early 1600s when a number of slaves were brought to Jamestown, Virginia, a British colony. And millions more were introduced long before the establishment of the United States. In fact, in their quest to promote a fraudulent collective responsibility upon the good people of the United States, flimflam artists like Cory Booker, Sheila Jackson Lee, actor Danny Glover and other hustlers fail to acknowledge that after the Revolutionary War and the good people of America gained their independence from foreign domination [the real culprit of slavery on American soil] the people within a number of the states, exercising their newly found freedom, immediately moved to share the blessings of liberty to all by abolishing slavery!


    For example, the people of Vermont took this immediate action in their 1777 declaration of rights, which declared "no ... person born in this country, or brought here over sea, ought to be holden by law to serve any person as a servant, slave, or apprentice". Likewise, the Massachusetts Constitution of 1780 declared that "all men are born free and equal" and was used by the court a few years after its adoption to legally forbid any person to be held as a slave. And, in 1787, the Northwest Ordinance, adopted by the Confederation Congress on July 13, 1787, declared "there shall be neither slavery nor involuntary servitude in the said Territory, otherwise than in the punishment of crimes whereof the party shall have been duly convicted."


    By the year 1788 all the states north of Maryland, except New York and New Jersey, had legislated to extinguish slavery, and by 1804 the remaining two northern states [N.Y. and N.J.] had put slavery to rest.


    The truth is, the injustice of slavery was not an injustice inflicted or perpetrated by the government of the United States. Quite the contrary! Upon the creation of the United States government, as witnessed by Article 1, Sec. 2, Clause 3, of the Constitution of the United States, an aversion to slavery was expressed by a specific penalty imposed upon those states having state sponsored slavery. Unfortunately, the constitutional penalty for state-sponsored slavery has been distorted and mischaracterized over the years by race baiters and hustlers who claim the provision "made blacks three-fifths of a person.". But a review of the actual words of Article 1, Sec. 2, clause 3, reveals slave holding states were penalized by this provision which denied them full representation in Congress in proportion to their actual population size---the population of slaves not being fully counted when apportioning representatives among the states, which diminished the voting strength of slave holding states in Congress Assembled!


    And then there’s Article 1, Section 9 of our original Constitution by which slavery was intended to be taxed into extinction by the federal government.


    ”The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.”


    So, as it turns out, contrary to Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee’s false assertion about the “… role of the federal government in supporting the institution of slavery . . .” its real role, from the very beginning, was working to abolish slavery. This is not to say that Africans did not suffer dearly under slavery. They did! But to point a finger at the wrong actors, and ignore how the good people of the United States worked from the very beginning of the United States to end slavery, is to perpetuated and instigate a nefarious cause ___ race baiting and hustling for political gain.


    JWK


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    Yet there was 400,000 slaves in the North when the war began and those slaves were not freed until after the war.
    Democrats are not the only people that owned slaves but people with small minds can't fathom that there was more than two parties..
     
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    So if there were 800,000 slaves at the time they were freed, how is it today that we have 50 million blacks claiming reparations? And if one of them has ten children now, do I owe them all reparations, too?
     
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    The important thing to remember about reparations is that Blacks were neither the largest group nor the worst abused in history! Why do they deserve singled out for benefits but all the victims of these other acts, groups or moments in history do not?
    • The Trojan War
    • The Roman Republic
    • The spread of Persia
    • Alexander the Great at Babylon
    • The Punic War
    • Hannibal
    • The Crusades
    • The Conquest of Greece
    • The Roman Empire
    • Julius Caesar
    • Caligula
    • Nero
    • The Visigoths
    • Arabian siege of Constantinople
    • Charlemagne
    • The Viking Conquests
    • Spaniard destruction of the Aztec Empire
    • The Ottoman Empire
    • Joan of Arc
    • The Dark Ages
    • The Mongols
    • The American Indian
    • The Soviet Union
    • Mao Zedong
    • The Nazis
    And I'm just scratching the surface here. Every war, every conquest, every land grab, every political movement had its victims. Just how do you give reparations to the Blacks without trivializing what all these other groups and peoples went through?

    One could even argue that the Blacks are uniquely fortunate: not only were they already freed, but their being sold into slavery and brought here was the very mechanism by which 50 million of their descendants all benefit today being born and living in the greatest country of Western Civilization.

    Perhaps as reparations for that, any Black alive today who feels unsatisfied believing they could and would have done better in another country, they are free to move there instead and the US government buys them a free one way ticket out of here?
     
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    Unfortunately for you, we do know the history of slavery. And since slavery did not end when America was no longer a colony, it is proper to bring it to the federal government. And since those like you choose to deny the 100 years after slavery thal allowed states to use the courts to reenslave blacks using convict leasin, aparthied in the north and south, A republican administration that ended reconstruction, the Republican Lily white movement, and many other things showing republican complicity in all such matters. Slavery could have been ended at the constitutional convention. It wasn't. So all these words you wrote is just another long winded white opposition to the idea of reparations.
     
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    And you really think that post makes sense. OBTW We've been paying Native Americans reparations for almost 200 years. Now is the American government responsible for all that you mentioned?
     
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    Because slavery did not end in 1863, plus further abuses occurred and still do.
     
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    The Constitutional Convention had absolutely no power to end slavery. Stop making stuff up. But it did adopt a provision to punish slave holding states, denying them full representation in Congress, and another provision to tax slavery into extinction, both of which were agreed to by the ratification of the Constitution.

    JWK


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    That's where they debated and wrote the constitution, so they could have ended slavery. There were no such provisions to punish slave holding states.
     
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    Paying the Native Americans reparations? Their country was taken, they suffered genocide, then they were shoved onto the poorest plots of land no one else wanted! If we have been paying them reparations for 200 years, then clearly reparations have not worked! So how long to pay Blacks reparations? !,000 years? Answer the question, fool, how are blacks due anything more than any of these people got?
    • The Trojan War
    • The Roman Republic
    • The spread of Persia
    • Alexander the Great at Babylon
    • The Punic War
    • Hannibal
    • The Crusades
    • The Conquest of Greece
    • The Roman Empire
    • Julius Caesar
    • Caligula
    • Nero
    • The Visigoths
    • Arabian siege of Constantinople
    • Charlemagne
    • The Viking Conquests
    • Spaniard destruction of the Aztec Empire
    • The Ottoman Empire
    • Joan of Arc
    • The Dark Ages
    • The Mongols
    • The American Indian
    • The Soviet Union
    • Mao Zedong
    • The Nazis
    You stand there with your hand out looking for another excuse to collect welfare, what about the Jews? The Asians? The American Indian? The Christians? Women? Homosexuals? The Central Americans? YOU HAVE YOUR GODDAMNED NERVE expecting reparations because maybe some distant relative of yours might have been brought here from Africa to live and work and underwent years of bigotry, fear and oppression to win it.

    THAT IS THE WORLD, dum muthafatha, you are no better off or worse than anyone else. Shut up, go suck your thumb, because for all your bleating, not only will you NEVER EVER see "reparations" but idiots like you simply increase the resistance to such an idea.

    KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
     
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