Roosevelt....the Un-Reagan

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    The great depression lasted for 15 years because of Roosevelt. As the rest of the world recovered, this country was stalled, because of Roosevelt's big government, socialist, control of American industry. The depression should have never lasted 15 years.

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    The depression began in 1929 with the stock market crash four years before FDR became President. During the period of FDR's Presidency, the countries agriculture industry was crippled or destroyed in vast regions due to the Dust Bowl. By 1940, the unemployment was reduced to 9% history books, scholars and virtually all academic sources put the official ending of the Great Depression as 1941.

    By the way, if you bothered to read your link you would discover that the writers confirm that FDR could only be credited with 7 years of the depression at most, and they confirm everything I wrote in my post. They credit industries difficulty in escaping the depression due to FDR's policies that increased wages. The workers benefited, the private industry had to adjust to paying fairer wages.
     
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    FDR took over in 1933.

    The second Depression, the result of his mismanagement, begin in full fury in 1937.

    1. Federal spending went from 2.5 % in 1929 to 9 % in 1936: Washington’s portion of the economy increased by 360 % in just seven years- with no benefit to the economy.

    2. Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., liberal New Deal historian wrote in The National Experience, in 1963, “Though the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair, they had not produce recovery…” He also wrote honestly about the devastating crash of 1937- in the midst of the “second New Deal” and Roosevelt’s second term. “The collapse in the months after September 1937 was actually more severe than it had been in the first nine months of the depression: national income fell 13 %, payrolls 35 %, durable goods production 50 %, profits 78% .

    3. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
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    Notice that your often used quote by Schlesinger states that "...the policies of the Hundred Days had ended despair...". This is exactly what I explained. FDR focused on ending the despair of the masses and made that his priority. The profits of private industry and for the people who were least affected by the depression in regards to the necessities of life and basic living conditions were put on standby.

    You have been schooled on the temporary crash of '37 by multiple posters with multiple links in multiple threads but you choose to ignore the facts that don't fit your misinformation. FDR made the mistake of reducing and halting a number of his programs with the hopes that the country had moved forward enough to be able to progress without them. He followed the wrong advise and as soon as he reimplemented his programs the short lived set back shot back to the progress that had beeb made. Within two years the unemployment was lower than it had been in the entire decade and private industry began seeing a long awaited progress.
     
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    Showing me and board members your dozens of examples is a waste. We do not create FDR's place in history. I have suggested more than once you must get your evidence to the historians; it is the historians that have and will create FDR's place in history not posters on these boards. All I ask is for you to inform we posters how grateful the historians are when they examine your evidence, and how they respond to your help.
     
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    And unemployment was 25% in 1933 and by 1940- it was down to 9%, and by the time FDR died it was virtually non-existant.

    No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR

    And of course FDR led the United States to victory against Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany, and at the time of his death the United States was the most powerful country in the world- militarily and industrially.

    No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR

    And of course FDR brought the GI Bill, unemployment insurance, social security and bank depositers insurance to Americans.

    No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR.
     
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    Americans continue to benefit from the policies, programs and legacy of FDR from 80 years ago. The best the FDR haters can do is try to compare Reagan, and there just is no comparison. His biggest accomplishment is that along with other world leaders, he helped bring the eventual end to the USSR. Problem there is that his contribution is debated, and worst of all, while the USSR ceased to exist, Russia and the Cold War was only put on delay. We are dealing with the sloppy job to this day. The threat of war with the old USSR, or at least the main body of it, still exist.
    Not much chance we will be at war with Germany, Japan or Italy any time soon. FDR beat them into begging to be our friends and allies. It has lasted well over a half a century.
     
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    And there the mindless drone repeats his assigned fallacy yet again.
     
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    All true- no wonder the Conservatives like PC prefer to create fiction to distract from the facts

    And unemployment was 25% in 1933 and by 1940- it was down to 9%, and by the time FDR died it was virtually non-existant.

    No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR

    And of course FDR led the United States to victory against Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany, and at the time of his death the United States was the most powerful country in the world- militarily and industrially.

    No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR

    And of course FDR brought the GI Bill, unemployment insurance, social security and bank depositers insurance to Americans.

    No wonder why Conservatives hate FDR.
     
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