Solar and Wind growing while trump's coal is shrinking...

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    And don't forget coal is more expensive than renewables. So now forces to close our plants and sell and lose jobs.

    So why with all that effort are coal exports down from their highs under Obama? You are saying the goal is spend billions on this to export less and use less than Obama did? Wow
     
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    That's an old talking point- they have a 40-year plan of phasing out coal.
    Do we have a 40 year plan for anything ? After we just wasted 20 years in the Middle East.
     
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    That is not an old point. It is true today as China increases its coal plant building. Nobody has a 40 year plan cause no one can foresee the future that far ahead. Smart people know that.
     
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    They have a 40 year plan which they began implementing in the mid-late 80's and early 90's for eventual goals to be met by 2030.

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    http://www.worldwatch.org/system/files/182 China Energy.pdf
    Figure 3. China’s Small Hydropower Installed Capacity and Power Generation, 1985–2009 . . Figure 4. China’s Installed Wind Power Capacity, 1992–2008 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Figure 5. Chinese Solar Cell Production and Installation, 2000–08 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    Figure 6. China’s Installed Solar Hot Water Capacity, 1997–2009 .
     
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    China is building coal power again
    28.09.2018

    Experts are calling for the government to return to cutting capacity after policy reversal, reports Feng Hao

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    Will this year’s sudden leap in demand for power end China’s two-year policy of reducing coal-power capacity? (Image: V.T. Polywoda

    *Updated Sept. 27

    CoalSwarm published a report on September 26 warning that 259 gigawatts of coal power capacity – equivalent to the entire coal power fleet of the United States – is being built in China despite government policies restricting new builds.

    This blog reported last month that China was building 46 gigawatts of coal power that had been shelved or suspended, and which was discovered by CoalSwarm through an analysis of satellite imagery.

    The new estimate by CoalSwarm takes the 46 gigawatts found by satellite imagery and adds other projects in the pre-construction/construction phase, as well as 57 gigawatts of shelved projects that seem likely to go online in the near future.

    Professor Yuan Jiahai of North China Electric Power University told chinadialogue that China loosened its restrictions on new coal-fired power construction in five provinces earlier this year. He is confident that China can keep its total coal power capacity within the 1100-gigawatt ceiling announced in the 13th Five-Year Plan, which runs through to 2020.
     
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    China Building New Coal Plants Equal to Entire US Capacity
    BY MIMI NGUYEN LY
    October 7, 2018 Updated: October 7, 2018
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    China is building hundreds of new coal-fired power plants capable of generating a total of 259 gigawatts (GW) of electricity—that’s equal to the entire existing U.S. coal fleet of around 266 GW, findings by advocacy and research group CoalSwarm show.

    Most of the new developments owe to a rapid rise in coal plant permit approvals by China’s provincial authorities from late 2014 to early 2016, according to the report, released Sept. 20. As much as a three-fold increase in coal plant permits were observed in 2015 compared to 2013.
    China Building New Coal Plants Equal to Entire US Capacity
     
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    Difference between a socialist market economy and a free market. You and Bernie must love that one.
     
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    When did renewable energy start to divide people on political lines ?
     

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