The Dickey Amendment & Gun Violence in America

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    .....that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control."
     
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    Did you even read the link?

    The whole issue is basically funded and pushed by him.

    Everytown for Gun Safety is largely financed by Michael Bloomberg,[9] who also founded the group.[10]
    Everytown for Gun Safety - Wikipedia

    The real reason Michael Bloomberg cares about guns
    OPINION: The real reason Michael Bloomberg cares about guns

    "Despite its notoriety, the NRA spends only about $20 million a year, and relies heavily on the grassroots enthusiasm of its members. Bloomberg, on the other hand, shrugged at the idea of throwing in an experimental $50 million “as if he were describing the tip he left on a restaurant check.”

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    ". . . .If Bloomberg wanted to spend some pocket change to undermine any other constitutional right, liberals would quickly complain about how the nation’s elites use their money to over influence policy and consolidate power away from the broader citizenry. The billionaire Koch brothers, who fund numerous conservative and libertarian causes, have become archetypes of this phenomenon, to the benefit of Obama-aligned outrage sites such as Salon and ThinkProgress. But when it comes to the Second Amendment, liberals don’t see a question of freedom or liberty, even when a billionaire tries to buy it away.

    What really irks Bloomberg about the right to bear arms isn’t the red herrings we throw around in the gun rights debate, such as hunting or self-defense. Rather, he hates its foundation in popular sovereignty. It’s easy to forget that when the Bill of Rights was being drafted, the founding fathers took for granted that the United States would not field an army during peacetime. With the enumerated rights to association and the press — as well as arms — they attempted to place the tools of 18th century revolution (and thus American sovereignty) permanently in the hands of the enfranchised public. Militias weren’t supposed to be local armies, they were supposed to be the Army. As Rep. Samuel Nasson wrote to Rep. George Thatcher in 1789, “Spare me on the subject of Standing armeys in a time of Peace they allway was first or last the downfall of all free Governments it was by their help Caesar made proud Rome Own a Tyrant and a Traytor for a Master.”


    "I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh-biggest army in the world."


    Michael Bloomberg
    Former mayor of New York City


    Bloomberg has never had a problem with standing armies; in 2011 he even bragged to an audience at MIT, “I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh biggest army in the world.” The NYPD is the largest, best-equipped municipal police force in the country, and its influence extends far beyond American territorial borders. It operates in 11 foreign cities and runs its own foreign policy and intelligence network. Bloomberg personally boasted that the NYPD has the capacity to shoot down passenger planes. It’s clear from his record that it’s not the “gun” part of “gun control” Bloomberg is interested in.

    Whose guns?

    There’s no doubt America needs to curb gun use and possession. The question is, whose guns? There are 34,500 members of the NYPD, and in 2012 they fatally shot 16 people. That gives Bloomberg’s army a rate of over 46 shooting deaths per 100,000, killing people at a clip that dwarfs any civilian level in the country. To put it in perspective, Chicago — an American city known for gun violence — hit its peak murder rate of 34 per 100,000 in 1992. American law enforcement is increasingly militarized — as Radley Balko reports in his book “Rise of the Warrior Cop”: “Driven by martial rhetoric and the availability of military-style equipment — from bayonets and M-16 rifles to armored personnel carriers — American police forces have often adopted a mind-set previously reserved for the battlefield.” And this army takes a lot of prisoners: While gun violence has markedly declined following heightened crime in the ’90s, incarceration rates haven’t returned to earth, nearly quintupling since the early ’70s, making Americans the most imprisoned people in the world.. . . "

    Stop being a servant for the master. This isn't about saving lives, it is about taking freedom away. The STATE will still unreasonably kill people, and it won't be held to account. . . even less so.
     
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    My take away, paranoid schizophrenia^^^ is afoot. Those who suffer from this mental illness are not all actors like the Unabomber or McVeigh, but they build there own reality, and find people and things to blame & punish them by word or deed.
     
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    That is true, and that is why the facts can be buried by people like trump, to blame the mentally ill for mass murders, and pretend guns don't kill people.

    Mental illness isn’t a major risk factor for gun violence, but here’s what is
     
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    Where in the Dickey amendment does it say the CDC is prohibited fron doing research on gun violence and publishing the results?

    Nowhere that's where. All the Dickey Amendment does is prohibit the CDC from spending money allocated to it by Congress to engage in political activism which is not part of the CDC's mandate
     
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    Read the link, they have taken away the money to do this research for one reason only: TO PROTECT THE PROFITS FOR THE GUN INDUSTRY.
     
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    And that is not because Dickey prohibited the research.

    That's because we have a bunch of gutless hacks in Congress

    Saying the CDC cannot use money allocated to it for political activism is in no way outlandish
     
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    HYPOCRISY ^^^! This ^^^ is exactly what the Congress has done to Planned Parenthood!
     
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    Hardly



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    I don't know if I would go so far as to call Michael Bloomberg a paranoid schizophrenic. I think he is just power hungry.

    . . . but?

    I am glad you are finally coming around. :113:


    First we work on the over militarization of the police, and the lawmakers and bureaucracy making everything illegal and throwing the citizenry in jail for exercising their civil rights and liberties?

    . . . and THEN, and only then, once our people are free once again, we'll see if there really is still a problem, eh? :71:


     

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