The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

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    Back to this? post the intercepts?
    Why would we have to intercept a peace feeler to the us? We are the ones at war with Japan so they would have to negotiate with us, to surrender or for peace. They never did that.

    Trying to surrender to Russia, as soon as possible, go ahead, post that transcript. It does not exist, now you are simply back to being an emotional lousy liar.
     
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    Can you answer your own questions, how many days should we have waited. If you can not answer the simple your OP is simply opinion with no basis in history.

    Your OP is a poor attempt at portraying the USA as being wrong, and you are so poor at writing and articulating your point, you eventually discredit one of your opening quotes!

    Bundy was not lying when you like what he said, but when he said what you did not like, he was lying?
    The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima
     
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    lol elektra has thoroughly discredited you commies as usual. Nobody can take you or Griffith seriously. It's what people who rely on Howard Zinn's nonsense and premises can expect.
     
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    They also avoid any mention of how Japanese soldiers report being amazed at how well they were treated by Marines after being captured,a far more common experience for Japanese prisoners than the usual scumbag reported to the contrary.

    Thank you for your efforts here; it's better than these hacks deserve.
     
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    Now, the charlatans have decided to lie about history.

    The Japanese only decided to surrender after two atomic bombs were dropped.

    Notice, the entire post was an opinion, a narrative.
     
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    Who but YOU has referenced Zinn? He’s irrelevant, just like you.
     
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    Howard Zinn, the pied piper of the charlatans. Griffter1 and Unitard are so pathetic they do not even know their opinions are entirely formed from Zinn's propaganda.
     
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    hahaha says the clown car passenger who cites Zinn verbatim, and doesn't even know where his rubbish comes from.
     
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    Never have, never will. Stop lying.
     
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    LOL! You must be talking about some other thread in a parallel world. Apparently you are unaware that most scholars who have studied and published on the issue have concluded that nuking Japan was unnecessary. And your comment about "you commies" is especially humorous, and puzzling, given that Truman's handling of the end of the Pacific War resulted in the Communist takeover of China and North Korea. The Soviets, who were Communists, wanted to invade Manchuria and Japan's northern islands, and Truman let them do it.

    I've never used any of Howard Zinn's stuff, but here's what Dr. J. Samuel Walker, a former Chief Historian of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, said on the issue of nuking Japan:

    Careful scholarly treatment of the records and manuscripts opened over the past few years has greatly enhanced our understanding of why Truman administration used atomic weapons against Japan. Experts continue to disagree on some issues, but critical questions have been answered. The consensus among scholars is the that the bomb was not needed to avoid an invasion of Japan. It is clear that alternatives to the bomb existed and that Truman and his advisers knew it. (Hiroshima Nagasaki Viewpoints: Atomic Bombing Decision - Doug Dillon)
    I will deal with Elektra's Maddox-based arguments about Ike's statements regarding the bomb shortly. Apparently Elektra is unaware that many scholars have answered Maddox's misleading and rather nonsensical attempt to minimize/question Ike's statements.
     
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