CDZ The US is a terrorist state. Discuss

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    terrorism
    the systematic and organized use of violence and intimidation to force a government or community, etc to act in a certain way or accept certain demands.

    Shock and awe was used to violently force Iraq to embrace regime change. Suleimani was systematically assassinated in order to intimidate Iran into modes of behaviour. The entire US military has been designated a terrorist organisation by Iran.

    The Meaning of Shock and Awe

    David Bromwich, Contributor Professor of Literature, Yale University

    The Meaning of Shock and Awe

    The phrase “Shock and Awe” derives from the nineteenth-century German military theorist Clausewitz. It was brought to the United States by Dr. Harlan Ullman, a senior associate at the Center for Strategic and International Studies and a man of deep influence in the Bush administration, whose acumen as a strategic thinker has been lauded by Colin Powell. The doctrine of “rapid dominance” expounded by Dr. Ullman is the key to the strategy that General Myers and others now find themselves preparing to execute.

    Extreme clarity marks the doctrines and maxims of Dr. Ullman. For him, a major precedent to guide American military policy in the twenty-first century, and a clue to the effect on enemy morale intended by Shock and Awe, was the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Japanese were shocked into immediate surrender. The greatness of such an overwhelming attack, according to Ullman, lies in its capacity to inflict on the enemy an instant paralysis of the will to fight. It assures that an entire people will be “intimidated, made to feel so impotent, so helpless, that they have no choice but to do what we want them to do.” It might be objected that this amounts to an endorsement of the use of weapons of mass terror, since concussive paralysis and the injury of non-combatants are among the intended effects of such an attack. The implicit answer offered by Ullman and his admirers is that the end justifies the means, and in a case involving the United States, the end is always benign.

    “Super tools and weapons — information age equivalents of the atomic bomb — have to be invented,” Dr. Ullman wrote in an opinion piece for the Economic Times. “As the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki finally convinced the Japanese Emperor and High Command that even suicidal resistance was futile, these tools must be directed towards a similar outcome” against the smaller and less threatening countries that now stand in the way of American power. But terrorism has many hiding places in a city. In order to eradicate it, you must destroy every common resource for survival. “You have this simultaneous effect,” says Ullman, “rather like the nuclear weapons at Hiroshima, not taking days or weeks but in minutes.”


     
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    Defending our citizens and our interests around the world doesn't make us terrorists. And there's nothing wrong with taking out a REAL terrorist.
     
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    Inflicting shock and awe on Iraqis and droning wedding parties does. The entire US military is officially designated 'REAL terrorists'.
     
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    Oh. In that case state terrorism doesn't exist.
     
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    The US is not a terrorist state.

    Just because you want it to be, doesn't mean it is.

    Shouldn't you have opened this thread in somewhere like The Badlands or the FZ?

    As it is obviously a flame, designed to provoke angry reaction, and not intended for critical appraisal
     
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    Iran uses proxies.
     
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    But on the other hand, the US supports Kurdish organisations which Turkey, a NATO ally, labels terrorist.
     
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    So? What if it does?

    Turkey is unpredictable. And NATO is a Mickey Mouse gravy train.
     
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    You could always try considered discussion.
     
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    So the US is working through terror proxies, the Kurds, according to an ally, Turkey. When this is taken into account; along with the designation by Iran of the entire US military as a terrorist organisation; plus the US' history of state delivered terrorism with 'Shock and Awe', by the standards the US applies to other countries the US is a terrorist state.
     
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