Understanding The Left

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    then list it. instead all you do is make these extreme statements of stereotypes and say ITS TRUE but never NEVER EVER back it up.

    list the legislation and voting history and why those who voted against your "ideals" did so. without doing that you're just a muppet dancing around hoping big bird finally notices you.
     
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    this is just stupid beyond measure and totally stereotypical, completely void of actual facts.
     
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    /----/ "The left cares about the environment, healthcare, education and civil rights.....they have the legislative record to support it"
    Caring is such a nice sounding word, like puppy dogs and rainbows. But the cold hard facts are Nixon created the EPA, and Republicans stopped the democRAT filibuster of the CRA and VRA. Healthcare was perfectly fine until politicians turned it into a political football and giveaway. And as far as education, the lib Teachers Union is graduating functional illiterates who can barely hold on to burger flipper jobs. Yes the GOP cares about the rich along with the middle class and poor. So go peddle your horseshyt somewhere else.
     
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    Just to be clear, I do not support the progressive left anymore than the reactionary right. I do not march in lockstep with them on immigration. The majority of those items you mentioned will never come to fruition. They are campaign folderol to pander for votes.
    Good, prove the part that’s wrong.

    Oh wait. You can’t.
     
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    It appears you didn't understand the post.

    Can you name any GOP candidates the Right referred to as god, Jesus, or the messiah.....as the Democrats called Hussein?



    If you are saying that the Right has the votes of those who are American, and endorse the Judeo-Christian faith.....I would hope so.

    The country was founded on the nation’s mission which centers on life….“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Thomas Jefferson.
    …the Left is more associated with death, and has been responsible for the slaughter of over 60 million of the most innocent.
     
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    To begin with the conclusion, everything the Left controls, suffers for it.
     
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    I understood the post, but it wasn’t what I was discussing. Thank you for acknowledging my point about the right.
     
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    They are neither extreme nor stereotypes

    If not, show me a piece of Republican legislation protecting the environment. Show me a single Trump executive action that made environmental rules tougher

    Show me ANY Republican legislation that helps the poor and working class more than it helps the wealthy
     
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    1. Everything I posted is factual.
    See if you can find otherwise.


    2. "... the reactionary right. "

    There is no 'reactionary right,' 'Far Right' or extremist Right.'

    Those are terms of art produced by the Far Left, the evil Left, etc. to try to pretend equivalence.

    The is no Far Right in this nation....but there certainly is a Far Left.

    The thesis is based on the definitions involved:


    To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
    American traditions, values, and history represent that center.



    The premise
    here is that, if I can show that the values called 'Far Right' are actually at the center of American traditions, values, and history represent that center, well then, they cannot be correctly awarded the modifier "Far."


    "Radical" is important to the discussion. It means
    "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)


    It's what the radical Obama was getting at when he said “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” — Barack Obama, October 30, 2008. “

    Transforming from the positions that America was built on.




    So far, I've given these examples of traditionally American positions...the 'center' against which to compare the positions.


    Radical positions as opposed to traditional ones identify "Far" Left




    1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage.. Which one is radical?

    2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer. Opposing prayer is radical....religiosity is traditional in America.


    3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.


    Starting to see a pattern?


    4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,


    LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
    ....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.

    5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
    Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
    Hence, Far Left..


    6. Franklin Roosevelt threw the United States Constitution under the bus, and used the public fisc for all sorts of endeavors not authorized in Article 1, section 8.


    A radical and Progressive position.


    He was the ultimate "Far Leftist."


    7. Under Franklin Roosevlet the federal government was transformed from one of limited & enumerated powers only to the Frankensteinian monster it is today. ....the regulatory welfare state where the federal government regulates business and commerce, natural resources, human resources, ...
    Under the Progressives, the federal government was no longer limited by the enumerated powers delegated in the Constitution; ...


    Radical to the utmost....hence Far Left.


    8. Under Roosevelt's NRA, most manufacturing industries were suddenly forced into government-mandated cartels. Codes that regulated prices and terms of sale briefly transformed much of the American economy into a fascist-style arrangement,

    "... into a fascist-style arrangement,..."
    "A New Jersey tailor named Jacob Maged was arrested and sent to jail for the “crime” of pressing a suit of clothes for 35 cents rather than the NRA-inspired “Tailor’s Code” of 40 cents."
    No surprise here: FDR's New Deal was a copy of Mussolini's economic program.


    Could anything short of setting up concentration camps for our citizens, be more radical???


    Oh...wait....he did build concentration camps for innocent civilians....his own citizens.


    9. How about The Far Left's Gender-Agenda., versus the Right's stand for tradition and reality: "Republicans Battle to Roll Back Washington's New Transgender Bathroom Rules"


    Really....could there be a more pertinent example of the radical, insane Far Left's corruption of tradition and history???


    Could there?



    10. The corruption of the press by the Far Left: the JournoList Scandal: hundreds of Leftist journalists plotted to minimize negative publicity surrounding Obama’s radical ties. They plotted to smear the other side with lies. Peter Zenger....spinnning in his grave.

    A clear affront to the honor bestowed on the press by the first amendment.




    And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or reactionary Right, or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.




    Still waiting.
     
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    Effectively you have admitted that the Left's positions are those of Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.

    Thank you for acknowledging this.
     

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