Was extending literacy to the lower classes a mistake?

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    If it can be predicted that certain groups of people will amount to nothing more than retail clerks, cab drivers, and janitors, why should we waste their time and our money on needless education?
     
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    I avoid stigmatizing entire professions, so long as they're legitimate lines of work.

    The bare minimum educational standards are very low to begin with, advanced learners and entrepreneurs have to learn more on their on.

    Blind "faith" in a degree is also silly - degrees to some extent or another, have worth because we have faith in them being worth something, much like money - however, no a degree does not guarantee a specific job, and one cannot "force" an employer to accept their degree to begin with.

    This is economically common sense, per authors such as Jolan Chang, but it falls on deaf ears for many people.
     
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    Mass literacy in Western Civilization countries goes back to @ least Fr. M. Luther & the Reformation. So you're centuries late. & when Rome conquered Greece, it was the Greeks who were hired as tutors, scribes, translators, etc.

    Literacy rates & reading levels have been much higher in the US in the past. It would be interesting to look into why those statistics have declined.
     
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    I respect that.

    Regardless, why should an entrepreneur like myself, who speaks and writes English at an advanced level, have the same say in the electoral process as an individual who believes "life is meaningless" or doesn't give a damn about the American Dream - preferring his porn addiction instead?

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    This is the US, not France or UK in their heyday. The US went for a more pragmatic measure of virtue: results in the World. & because the US rose & rose in economics, industry, science, technology, warfare & related - we've taken it as a given that those measures are true & valid.

    Academics & intellectuals are consulted for their expertise in the US, but their expertise isn't usually determinative. Unless we're in WWII & need to close technological or scientific or military gaps in a hurry. Then the technological elites get more attention than otherwise. & once the immediate war is won, the status of the scientific & technological elites goes back to normal.

    In the US political system, it's a fairly brute-force kind of world. If you do extremely well as an entrepreneur, then you'll get some respect.
     
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    You confuse competency and healthy self-esteem with dimestore Freudian gobbly-gook.
     
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    Because 'Liberty and Freedom for all' means the good Lord's biggest Aholes incarnate are included Q

    But you want to equate literacy to a better voting contingent, so let's give that the benefit of debate

    Let's say we raise the bar, educate all our young better, have them delve into the history of political sciences, read and digest the spectrum of socio-political histories of our and other comparative democratic republics

    In fact, we could create an entire generation of PHD level political scientists

    BUT, the 7 deadlies will still exist, and many will go that road ,despite being educated to all it's evils, singing hail to the chief, or pledging to our flag

    proof?

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    Sounds elitist to me. Are you really suggesting that the upper classes or aristocracy are more virtuous by nature than the lower classes?
    Because I would seriously question the validity of such a claim.
    As for literacy levels being low I would think that commercial advertising isn't meant to be the same as reading a literary classic.
    Should I expect a commercial on television to be written in high academic prose?
    Like reading a Faulkner novel or something by Dostoyevsky?
    So if it's on a 6th grade level as you put it I'm not surprised.
    However I don't think this should be an indicator of someone's capability to vote.
    Should we be also giving out IQ tests to anyone wanting to vote, just to make sure they meet the minimum intelligence requirements for participating in the so-called democratic process?
    Makes me want to think how many people in congress or government would be able to pass such a thing anyway.
     
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